Listen to John talk about the inner and outer mediation process, the importance of the "3rd chair," and an experience of working with Pakistani elders. Listen to John talk about the inner and outer mediation process, the importance of the "3rd chair," and an experience of working with Pakistani elders. Keywords: consciousness demands empathy feelings jackal show presence self empathy compassion conflict resolution mediation relationships jackal talk self connection authenticity vulnerability enemy images intensity triggers John Kinyon